Underworld on the Frontiers Podcast

Rick and Karl talk to The Upside here: theupside.net/podcast

Part 1: Karl & Rick share insights from their long term collaboration. They describe working across a range of multi-disciplinary projects, the potential of creative friction, and the power of active listening.

Part 2: The conversation continues as Karl Hyde & Rick Smith of creative discuss the tensions between commerce, creativity, and comfort, reflections on past projects, and the potential of creativity to solve problems.